摘 要

“ 中心化的东西一般都会受到风险大的诟病，而区块链却不会，就是这一点让大家为之亮眼”

《加油站》韩国站第6期访谈实录：

-Guest info-

Junghwan Cho

CEO of OKCoin

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Host：首先来介绍一下今天的主持人，韩国Art Center Nabi的研究员Lee, Jinkyoung（李）。李研究员是Art Center Nabi研究团队的组长，Art Center Nabi是结合科技和艺术的研究中心，非常关注区块链。去年企划了crypto on the beach（编程马拉松）、区块链话剧等。

Before we start, let us welcome today’s host, Lee, Jinkyung from Art Center Nabi. 

Ms Lee is a team leader of Nabi future Studies at Art Center Nabi that pursues the convergence of technology and art. She has a keen interest in blockchain technology and directed ‘crypto on the beach’ (hackathon on blockchain) and a play on blockchain last year.

Lee：大家好，我是此次采访的主持人Lee, Jinkyoung，是韩国Art Center Nabi的Nabi未来研究所组长。

今天采访的主题是：“数字货币交易所的未来，数字资产交易所”，我们专门邀请了全球三大交易所之一——OKEx交易所韩国法人代表Jo, Jeong-hwan。大家都知道OKEx交易所基于自己的数字货币冷钱包和银行级别的快速匹配引擎技术，提供最稳定的数字货币交易服务，包括比特币、莱特币，BCH，Quantum, XRP, NEO, EOS, HSR和其他数字资产交易服务。

赵代表，您好！

首先请您简单介绍一下自己吧？尤其大家都非常好奇您踏入区块链行业的原因、您的个人背景以及什么时候对数字货币产生兴趣？

Hello, everyone. I am the today’s host, Lee, Jinkyung from Art Center Nabi.

Today, we invited Cho, Jung-hwan, CEO of OKCoin(OKEx) to talk about ‘a future of crypto exchange and digital asset exchanges’. OKCoin is the global top 3 exchanges, and has provided digital asset trade services for bitcoin, litecoin, BCH, Quantum, XRP, NEO, EOS, HSR and others based on its own cold storage technology and high-speed matching engine technology that are as secure as banks’.

Hello, Mr. Cho.

Please introduce yourself. What motivated you to join the blockchain industry.  Tell us about your background, and how and when you started to be interested in blockchain technology.

Cho：首先非常感谢主办方让我有机会和在区块链以及科技技术领域积极活动的各位女性一起聊天。我目前任OKEx韩国法人代表一职。工作之初，我在P&G任职，之后一直从事于金融衍生品中介领域。

First of all, I would like to thank all those who provided me with this opportunity to talk with female leaders from blockchain and other tech-related fields. I am the CEO of OKCoin Korea. I started my career at P&G, and have been involved in financial derivatives brokerage since then.

Lee： 那您进入区块链领域有什么特别的原因吗？大概是什么时候？

When and how you learned about blockchain technology? 

Cho：我在很多个国家工作过。之前在中国、欧洲工作的时候偶然知道了数字资产。您问到有没有什么契机，当时我在中国深圳工作时，我联系过OK集团的子公司OKLink。当时我认为数字资产领域拥有巨大的潜力，所以我建议合作投资在韩国成立合资公司。另外OKLink是OK集团的区块链汇款转账公司。

I used to work in different countries. While working in Europe and china, I learned about digital assets. It was when I was working in Shenzhen, China that I got introduced to OKLink, a subsidiary of OK group. As I found this field very promising, I suggested setting up JV in Korea. For your information, OKLink is a blockchain-based money transferer.

Lee： 啊哈，那时大概是什么时候？还有刚刚您提到的您在各个国家工作的经历对理解数字货币有帮助吗？

When was it exactly? Do you find your previous experiences (or background) helpful to understand crypto currency?

Cho：首先我在搜集快捷转账业务的过程中知道了区块链的转账业务。也正因为此，我才学习更多的相关知识，然后我就发现了数字货币的魅力所在，并沉迷其中。

我第一次跟OK有接触是在2016年。因为都是和资产相关的，所以双方有很大的相似性。虚拟货币不分国界、透明性极强的这些特点确实是人们关注的重点。中心化的东西一般都会受到风险大的诟病，而区块链却不会，就是这一点让大家为之亮眼。

While conducting research on one-stop financial transfer services, I learned about blockchain-based money transfer. That guided to this status after having been infatuated with digital assets. It was 2016 when I started to get involved with OKLink. My previous experiences have something in common with blockchain transfer services in terms that both deal with assets, but the fact that the latter is borderless and more transparent intrigued me so much more. Unlike centralized control system bearing risks, decentralized blockchain technology can overcome those vulnerabilities. I found this insightful, in particular.

Lee： 对的，没有国界和透明性确实是区块链最大的魅力！在加密货币(cryptocurrency)和数字资产(digital asset)这两个专业用语中，您更偏向于用哪个？理由是什么呢？

I agree. Being borderless and transparent is one of the blockchain’s merits. Which term do you prefer, ‘cryptocurrency’ or ‘digital asset’? and why? 

Cho：我更偏向于用数字资产(digital asset)，数字资产是个更加概括性的概念。因为实际上，加密货币是指构成数字资产技术的一部分。比如尽管飞行积累里程数（Air mileage）未被加密，但它也是一种数字资产。我认为数字资产是加密货币和数字化传统资产群的总和。

I prefer to use the term, ‘digital asset’, as it encompasses more concepts. Technically speaking, cryptocurrency is one of the digital assets. Let me put this way. Air mileage is one of the digital assets, though it was not encrypted. I think the digital asset is the combination of cryptocurrency and existing (non-encrypted) digital assets.

Lee： 非常感谢您的回答。接下来进入下一个话题。您认为区块链产业和加密货币交易将会朝着什么方向发展？IEO, STO, DEX中，哪一个会成为主流？

Now, let’s move on to the next topic. What is your take on the outlook of blockchain industry and cryptocurrency transaction? Which will be the mainstream among IEO, STO and DEX?

Cho：两个问题我一同回答你。首先，到目前为止，限制加密货币的市场将会有悖于政策初衷，变得更加不透明、更加混乱。特别是，像雨后春笋般出来的ICO项目中大多数甚至没有MVP。即使有，它们往往没有什么商业性。 投资者只关注短期回报，因此在进行项目可行性讨论时，投资者们更加偏向于投资项目是否热门。

因此，为了要发展，我认为肯定会有一些阵痛的，而暂时的痛也是必须的。我个人认为现在就处在这么一个阵痛中。IEO和STO属于资金方面，而DEX是一个交易所，因此我认为IEO与ICO不同。

I will combine my answers to that question. Until now, cryptocurrency market has been operated in opaque and non-transparent way. In particular, mushrooming ICO projects were not be able to develop MVP(Minimum Visible Product). Even those products with MVP were not profitable. Investors also have focused on short-term returns, which made them invest on hot projects rather than learn and investigate the projects themselves. For this industry to grow, some sufferings are unavoidable and we are in the middle of those pains and suffering. 

IEO and STO are different in the way they raise funds, and DEX(Decentralized Exchanges) is a type of exchanges. So I will separate them into two categories. 

First, IEO is not much different from ICO.

Lee： 对的。目前还没有一个公认的判断标准，所以会有些混淆，现在也是如此。

I agree. It has been quite confusing and opaque, as there has been no appropriate standard. And it still is.

Cho：我认为从代币销售途径、包装手段来看，两者本质是相似的。有时候IEO更加安全，但我却不这么认为。

Basically, they are quite similar to each other, but have different exchanges where the tokens or coins are traded. Some say IEO is much safer, but I disagree.

Lee： 您这么认为的理由是什么呢？

Why do you think so?

Cho：IEO强调它还有另一个验证过程。事实上，由于项目本身不具有营销能力，因此项目方可以通过IEO可进行更有风险的博弈。

当然，并非所有项目都是如此，但是从结论来看，我认为ICO和IEO同质不同样。一部分项目成功完成了ICO，并且通过ICO来保护更多的用户。使用IEO作为一种宣传工具就是项目方赢得更多的用户、成功进行ICO的过程，而不是要经过验证程序。

另外，在韩国，ICO和IEO很容易违反guidelines。至少我认为在韩国某一平台同时进行ICO和IEO是一个引发争议的话题。不知道是不是因为我之前在传统金融市场工作过，我对流通市场和发行市场在同一个地方持反对态度。

DEX就是以前的STO。我认为可走的路有很多条，但是STO是发展的方向。

项目方有义务保护持币用户们，这种义务是对用户的一种补偿机制。各国的资本市场上要解决的问题还很多，但是离解决只是时间问题，这个过程中，我认为STO或者传统资产代币化的速度将会加快！

DEX无法应用于法币交易可行的地方。但是从提高交易所透明性的角度来看，人们已经开始讨论DEX。之前加密货币企业们高喊去中心化，但实际上中心化的交易所却操纵着市场，前后矛盾！即使如此，如果DEX可以的话，我想自然是最好的。

但是，并不是所有的东西都要高度透明化。为了提高效率，中心化也是有必要的，把所有东西放在一个地方也是可以的，这样的例子也很多。我想去年说的区块链万能化界限（Blockchain-can-solve-everything syndrome）的目的就是如此。

Well, IEO emphasizes that it has extra verification process. However, coin projects can bet in more risky way using IEO, as they lack marketing capabilities. 

Plus, conducting both IEO and ICO has high possibilities of violating the guidelines in Korea. Doing both on the same platform is controversial at least here in Korea. 

I might have some prejudices as I have engaed in traditional financial markets. I think issuing and trading market cannot coexist in one platform. STO came out before DEX. STO has a long way to go, but I believe this is the way for us to take.

Plus, conducting both IEO and ICO has high possibilities of violating the guidelines in Korea. Doing both on the same platform is controversial at least here in Korea. 

I might have some prejudices as I have engaed in traditional financial markets. I think issuing and trading market cannot coexist in one platform. STO came out before DEX. STO has a long way to go, but I believe this is the way for us to take.

DEX cannot work where the fiat currencies are traded. We discussed DEX in order to enhance transparency at current centralized exchanges. In a decentralized crypto world, the current situation of centralized exchanges controlling the market is nonsensical. Despite this, I have different opinion. I also hope for DEX as well.

DEX cannot work where the fiat currencies are traded. We discussed DEX in order to enhance transparency at current centralized exchanges. In a decentralized crypto world, the current situation of centralized exchanges controlling the market is nonsensical. Despite this, I have different opinion. I also hope for DEX as well.

Lee： 非常简明扼要的回答！请问还有其他能够成为主流的的交易方式吗？

Thank you for your insightful answers.

Aside from these are there any other hot trading methods?

Cho：从中长期来看，我认为我刚刚我提到的资产群代币化将会受币圈瞩目。因为如果这些资产群能够应用过去交易无法实现的协议，相互的交易价值有可能会被规范化。

In the mid- to long-term, asset tokenization will be highlighted. If we apply universal protocols to existing assets, there is possibility to create trading values among them.

Lee： 那么这个和Reverse ICO有什么差异呢？

Then, what are the differences between tokenization and reverse ICO?

Cho：Reverse ICO是筹集资金的一种手段，是指公司把区块链技术应用到BM。我所说的资产代币化不一定一定要有ICO（当然Reverse ICO很有可能会吧？），流通性较差的资产群可能会实现不用ICO的代币化吧？！

Reverse ICO is a way to raise funds. That is, business combines blockchain technology with existing BM. Asset tokenization does not necessarily involve ICO, while reverse ICO has higher chances to do so. The same goes to those assets that are tied to one platform and thus hardly traded.

Lee： 啊哈，这样子。接下来我们讨论下一个问题。

下个问题是与中心化vs去中心化相关的问题。虽然刚刚您已经有提及，我们还想听一下您的个人见解。这个话题一直是大家争论不休的话题，估计未来也是。

Let’s move onto the next topic. Next question is about “centralization vs. decentralization”. You already talked about this topic, but can you share your ideas with us more, as it is and will be highly controversial.

Cho：好的。用一句话来概括，就是并不是所有的东西都需要中心化，同时，把所有的东西都中心化也不行。如果充分利用分布式（去中心化）账簿技术的优点来提高透明性和效率，那么我们需要去用，如果不是的话，则不需要。Kon Satoshi的精神虽然很优秀值得学习，但我们提倡的并不是学习Kon Satoshi精神的全部。因为这世界上不存在绝对正确或者绝对错误的东西。大家和我要做的就是在这两者中间找到平衡。

The bottom line is that not all the things need to be decentralized, and they should not. If decentralized ledgers help to enhance transparency and efficiency, we should adopt it. If not, we do not need to. I admire Satoshi Nakamoto and there are many things to learn from him, but I dare to say he is not 100% correct. I am not taking “bothsidesism (denying both opposing sides equally)”, but there is no absolute right and wrong. Striking a balance is what we need to do.

Lee： 您说的这个在中心化和去中心化两者间寻找平衡的任务，我觉得499社群就能担当此大任。好了，今天采访到此结束。

Like you said, I think 499community can play an important role in helping blockchain industry to be balanced between centralization and decentralization.  I will close the interview here.

再次感谢赵代表来参加此次采访，在参访中还给大家分享了这么多的干货！同时也非常感谢499区块链社区为我们提供此次采访机会。

Thank you again for joining us today and sharing your insights with us. I also would like to thank 499blockchain community for giving me a chance to host this interview. 

Cho：不客气！感谢Lee, Jinkyung研究员、各位支持人以及499社区的所有成员！

My pleasure. I would like to send my thanks to you, journalists and all the members of 499community.

Host：首先来介绍一下今天的主持人，韩国Art Center Nabi的研究员Lee, Jinkyoung（李）。李研究员是Art Center Nabi研究团队的组长，Art Center Nabi是结合科技和艺术的研究中心，非常关注区块链。去年企划了crypto on the beach（编程马拉松）、区块链话剧等。

Before we start, let us welcome today’s host, Lee, Jinkyung from Art Center Nabi. 

Ms Lee is a team leader of Nabi future Studies at Art Center Nabi that pursues the convergence of technology and art. She has a keen interest in blockchain technology and directed ‘crypto on the beach’ (hackathon on blockchain) and a play on blockchain last year.

Lee：大家好，我是此次采访的主持人Lee, Jinkyoung，是韩国Art Center Nabi的Nabi未来研究所组长。

今天采访的主题是：“数字货币交易所的未来，数字资产交易所”，我们专门邀请了全球三大交易所之一——OKEx交易所韩国法人代表Jo, Jeong-hwan。大家都知道OKEx交易所基于自己的数字货币冷钱包和银行级别的快速匹配引擎技术，提供最稳定的数字货币交易服务，包括比特币、莱特币，BCH，Quantum, XRP, NEO, EOS, HSR和其他数字资产交易服务。

赵代表，您好！

首先请您简单介绍一下自己吧？尤其大家都非常好奇您踏入区块链行业的原因、您的个人背景以及什么时候对数字货币产生兴趣？

Hello, everyone. I am the today’s host, Lee, Jinkyung from Art Center Nabi.

Today, we invited Cho, Jung-hwan, CEO of OKCoin(OKEx) to talk about ‘a future of crypto exchange and digital asset exchanges’. OKCoin is the global top 3 exchanges, and has provided digital asset trade services for bitcoin, litecoin, BCH, Quantum, XRP, NEO, EOS, HSR and others based on its own cold storage technology and high-speed matching engine technology that are as secure as banks’.

Hello, Mr. Cho.

Please introduce yourself. What motivated you to join the blockchain industry.  Tell us about your background, and how and when you started to be interested in blockchain technology.

Cho：首先非常感谢主办方让我有机会和在区块链以及科技技术领域积极活动的各位女性一起聊天。我目前任OKEx韩国法人代表一职。工作之初，我在P&G任职，之后一直从事于金融衍生品中介领域。

First of all, I would like to thank all those who provided me with this opportunity to talk with female leaders from blockchain and other tech-related fields. I am the CEO of OKCoin Korea. I started my career at P&G, and have been involved in financial derivatives brokerage since then.

Lee： 那您进入区块链领域有什么特别的原因吗？大概是什么时候？

When and how you learned about blockchain technology? 

Cho：我在很多个国家工作过。之前在中国、欧洲工作的时候偶然知道了数字资产。您问到有没有什么契机，当时我在中国深圳工作时，我联系过OK集团的子公司OKLink。当时我认为数字资产领域拥有巨大的潜力，所以我建议合作投资在韩国成立合资公司。另外OKLink是OK集团的区块链汇款转账公司。

I used to work in different countries. While working in Europe and china, I learned about digital assets. It was when I was working in Shenzhen, China that I got introduced to OKLink, a subsidiary of OK group. As I found this field very promising, I suggested setting up JV in Korea. For your information, OKLink is a blockchain-based money transferer.

Lee： 啊哈，那时大概是什么时候？还有刚刚您提到的您在各个国家工作的经历对理解数字货币有帮助吗？

When was it exactly? Do you find your previous experiences (or background) helpful to understand crypto currency?

Cho：首先我在搜集快捷转账业务的过程中知道了区块链的转账业务。也正因为此，我才学习更多的相关知识，然后我就发现了数字货币的魅力所在，并沉迷其中。

我第一次跟OK有接触是在2016年。因为都是和资产相关的，所以双方有很大的相似性。虚拟货币不分国界、透明性极强的这些特点确实是人们关注的重点。中心化的东西一般都会受到风险大的诟病，而区块链却不会，就是这一点让大家为之亮眼。

While conducting research on one-stop financial transfer services, I learned about blockchain-based money transfer. That guided to this status after having been infatuated with digital assets. It was 2016 when I started to get involved with OKLink. My previous experiences have something in common with blockchain transfer services in terms that both deal with assets, but the fact that the latter is borderless and more transparent intrigued me so much more. Unlike centralized control system bearing risks, decentralized blockchain technology can overcome those vulnerabilities. I found this insightful, in particular.

Lee： 对的，没有国界和透明性确实是区块链最大的魅力！在加密货币(cryptocurrency)和数字资产(digital asset)这两个专业用语中，您更偏向于用哪个？理由是什么呢？

I agree. Being borderless and transparent is one of the blockchain’s merits. Which term do you prefer, ‘cryptocurrency’ or ‘digital asset’? and why? 

Cho：我更偏向于用数字资产(digital asset)，数字资产是个更加概括性的概念。因为实际上，加密货币是指构成数字资产技术的一部分。比如尽管飞行积累里程数（Air mileage）未被加密，但它也是一种数字资产。我认为数字资产是加密货币和数字化传统资产群的总和。

I prefer to use the term, ‘digital asset’, as it encompasses more concepts. Technically speaking, cryptocurrency is one of the digital assets. Let me put this way. Air mileage is one of the digital assets, though it was not encrypted. I think the digital asset is the combination of cryptocurrency and existing (non-encrypted) digital assets.

Lee： 非常感谢您的回答。接下来进入下一个话题。您认为区块链产业和加密货币交易将会朝着什么方向发展？IEO, STO, DEX中，哪一个会成为主流？

Now, let’s move on to the next topic. What is your take on the outlook of blockchain industry and cryptocurrency transaction? Which will be the mainstream among IEO, STO and DEX?

Cho：两个问题我一同回答你。首先，到目前为止，限制加密货币的市场将会有悖于政策初衷，变得更加不透明、更加混乱。特别是，像雨后春笋般出来的ICO项目中大多数甚至没有MVP。即使有，它们往往没有什么商业性。 投资者只关注短期回报，因此在进行项目可行性讨论时，投资者们更加偏向于投资项目是否热门。

因此，为了要发展，我认为肯定会有一些阵痛的，而暂时的痛也是必须的。我个人认为现在就处在这么一个阵痛中。IEO和STO属于资金方面，而DEX是一个交易所，因此我认为IEO与ICO不同。

I will combine my answers to that question. Until now, cryptocurrency market has been operated in opaque and non-transparent way. In particular, mushrooming ICO projects were not be able to develop MVP(Minimum Visible Product). Even those products with MVP were not profitable. Investors also have focused on short-term returns, which made them invest on hot projects rather than learn and investigate the projects themselves. For this industry to grow, some sufferings are unavoidable and we are in the middle of those pains and suffering. 

IEO and STO are different in the way they raise funds, and DEX(Decentralized Exchanges) is a type of exchanges. So I will separate them into two categories. 

First, IEO is not much different from ICO.

Lee： 对的。目前还没有一个公认的判断标准，所以会有些混淆，现在也是如此。

I agree. It has been quite confusing and opaque, as there has been no appropriate standard. And it still is.

Cho：我认为从代币销售途径、包装手段来看，两者本质是相似的。有时候IEO更加安全，但我却不这么认为。

Basically, they are quite similar to each other, but have different exchanges where the tokens or coins are traded. Some say IEO is much safer, but I disagree.

Lee： 您这么认为的理由是什么呢？

Why do you think so?

Cho：IEO强调它还有另一个验证过程。事实上，由于项目本身不具有营销能力，因此项目方可以通过IEO可进行更有风险的博弈。

当然，并非所有项目都是如此，但是从结论来看，我认为ICO和IEO同质不同样。一部分项目成功完成了ICO，并且通过ICO来保护更多的用户。使用IEO作为一种宣传工具就是项目方赢得更多的用户、成功进行ICO的过程，而不是要经过验证程序。

另外，在韩国，ICO和IEO很容易违反guidelines。至少我认为在韩国某一平台同时进行ICO和IEO是一个引发争议的话题。不知道是不是因为我之前在传统金融市场工作过，我对流通市场和发行市场在同一个地方持反对态度。

DEX就是以前的STO。我认为可走的路有很多条，但是STO是发展的方向。

项目方有义务保护持币用户们，这种义务是对用户的一种补偿机制。各国的资本市场上要解决的问题还很多，但是离解决只是时间问题，这个过程中，我认为STO或者传统资产代币化的速度将会加快！

DEX无法应用于法币交易可行的地方。但是从提高交易所透明性的角度来看，人们已经开始讨论DEX。之前加密货币企业们高喊去中心化，但实际上中心化的交易所却操纵着市场，前后矛盾！即使如此，如果DEX可以的话，我想自然是最好的。

但是，并不是所有的东西都要高度透明化。为了提高效率，中心化也是有必要的，把所有东西放在一个地方也是可以的，这样的例子也很多。我想去年说的区块链万能化界限（Blockchain-can-solve-everything syndrome）的目的就是如此。

Well, IEO emphasizes that it has extra verification process. However, coin projects can bet in more risky way using IEO, as they lack marketing capabilities. 

Plus, conducting both IEO and ICO has high possibilities of violating the guidelines in Korea. Doing both on the same platform is controversial at least here in Korea. 

I might have some prejudices as I have engaed in traditional financial markets. I think issuing and trading market cannot coexist in one platform. STO came out before DEX. STO has a long way to go, but I believe this is the way for us to take.

Plus, conducting both IEO and ICO has high possibilities of violating the guidelines in Korea. Doing both on the same platform is controversial at least here in Korea. 

I might have some prejudices as I have engaed in traditional financial markets. I think issuing and trading market cannot coexist in one platform. STO came out before DEX. STO has a long way to go, but I believe this is the way for us to take.

DEX cannot work where the fiat currencies are traded. We discussed DEX in order to enhance transparency at current centralized exchanges. In a decentralized crypto world, the current situation of centralized exchanges controlling the market is nonsensical. Despite this, I have different opinion. I also hope for DEX as well.

DEX cannot work where the fiat currencies are traded. We discussed DEX in order to enhance transparency at current centralized exchanges. In a decentralized crypto world, the current situation of centralized exchanges controlling the market is nonsensical. Despite this, I have different opinion. I also hope for DEX as well.

Lee： 非常简明扼要的回答！请问还有其他能够成为主流的的交易方式吗？

Thank you for your insightful answers.

Aside from these are there any other hot trading methods?

Cho：从中长期来看，我认为我刚刚我提到的资产群代币化将会受币圈瞩目。因为如果这些资产群能够应用过去交易无法实现的协议，相互的交易价值有可能会被规范化。

In the mid- to long-term, asset tokenization will be highlighted. If we apply universal protocols to existing assets, there is possibility to create trading values among them.

Lee： 那么这个和Reverse ICO有什么差异呢？

Then, what are the differences between tokenization and reverse ICO?

Cho：Reverse ICO是筹集资金的一种手段，是指公司把区块链技术应用到BM。我所说的资产代币化不一定一定要有ICO（当然Reverse ICO很有可能会吧？），流通性较差的资产群可能会实现不用ICO的代币化吧？！

Reverse ICO is a way to raise funds. That is, business combines blockchain technology with existing BM. Asset tokenization does not necessarily involve ICO, while reverse ICO has higher chances to do so. The same goes to those assets that are tied to one platform and thus hardly traded.

Lee： 啊哈，这样子。接下来我们讨论下一个问题。

下个问题是与中心化vs去中心化相关的问题。虽然刚刚您已经有提及，我们还想听一下您的个人见解。这个话题一直是大家争论不休的话题，估计未来也是。

Let’s move onto the next topic. Next question is about “centralization vs. decentralization”. You already talked about this topic, but can you share your ideas with us more, as it is and will be highly controversial.

Cho：好的。用一句话来概括，就是并不是所有的东西都需要中心化，同时，把所有的东西都中心化也不行。如果充分利用分布式（去中心化）账簿技术的优点来提高透明性和效率，那么我们需要去用，如果不是的话，则不需要。Kon Satoshi的精神虽然很优秀值得学习，但我们提倡的并不是学习Kon Satoshi精神的全部。因为这世界上不存在绝对正确或者绝对错误的东西。大家和我要做的就是在这两者中间找到平衡。

The bottom line is that not all the things need to be decentralized, and they should not. If decentralized ledgers help to enhance transparency and efficiency, we should adopt it. If not, we do not need to. I admire Satoshi Nakamoto and there are many things to learn from him, but I dare to say he is not 100% correct. I am not taking “bothsidesism (denying both opposing sides equally)”, but there is no absolute right and wrong. Striking a balance is what we need to do.

Lee： 您说的这个在中心化和去中心化两者间寻找平衡的任务，我觉得499社群就能担当此大任。好了，今天采访到此结束。

Like you said, I think 499community can play an important role in helping blockchain industry to be balanced between centralization and decentralization.  I will close the interview here.

再次感谢赵代表来参加此次采访，在参访中还给大家分享了这么多的干货！同时也非常感谢499区块链社区为我们提供此次采访机会。

Thank you again for joining us today and sharing your insights with us. I also would like to thank 499blockchain community for giving me a chance to host this interview. 

Cho：不客气！感谢Lee, Jinkyung研究员、各位支持人以及499社区的所有成员！

My pleasure. I would like to send my thanks to you, journalists and all the members of 499community.

往期回顾：

第1期：499加油站 韩国站 NO.1 | Park Won Jun：数字货币交易所的正向功能及未来

第2期：499加油站 韩国站 NO.2 | Seong jae Hwang：VC如何看待区块链数据技术的实用性

第3期：499加油站 韩国站 NO.3 | Younghoon Moon：在区块链和去中心化的时代国家与企业权利的关系

第4期：499加油站 韩国站 NO.4 | Toby Simpson：对于人工智能及区块链，欧洲正在积极筹措

第5期：499加油站 韩国站 NO.5 | Alexander Zaidelson：加密货币如何应用及Beam的应用愿景